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LOS 10 CARROS MENOS "COOL" DE LA HISTORIA

Publicado: 19 Ene 2007 21:06
por yoorch
Maes, ojeando revistas viejas que tengo aca, me encontré en una Automobile de octubre del 2004 la lista de los 100 carros más "cool" de la historia. La vara es que pusieron la lista de los 10 menos "cool" sin foto ni nada... entonces aca les dejo los resultados con las fotos

Que les parece?

(en 3 años y muchos más no creo que cambie mucho)



Los 10 carros menos "cool" de la historia:


1- Yugo

Primer carro en la historia en tener un DNF eb los rankings de J.D. Power Initial Quality rankings

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2- Pontiac Aztec

Según la revista: "una leyenda en nuestro tiempo"

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3- Suzuki X-90

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4- Datsun B210 Honey Bee

Comentario personal: Que nombre más gay jaja

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5- Mosler Consulter GTP

Según la revista: "Es tan rápido a como es feo... y es muy rápido"

No encontré foto... es el que tenía más ganas de ver jeje



6- Geo Metro Convertible

Según la revista: "Un convertible debe decir: Hey! mirenme! y éste dice: Hey! tengo 55 caballos y caja automática de 3 velocidades, me podés empujar para subir la cuesta?

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7- Mercury Villager Nautica

"Una minivan que intentó ser cool asociando su nombre con una marca de ropa que por si misma es dudosamente cool"

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8- Cadillac Cimarron

Comentario personal: Fara fara chin fara fara chin!!!

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9- AMC Pacer

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10- Zimmer Golden Spirit

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Publicado: 19 Ene 2007 22:05
por Marvin Jaén
Lo que encontre fue esto del Mosler Consulter GTP...

... feito, feito...

Publicado: 19 Ene 2007 22:44
por yoorch
Marvin Jaén escribió:Lo que encontre fue esto del Mosler Consulter GTP...

... feito, feito...
Oh por Dios :bom:

Publicado: 20 Ene 2007 06:58
por Lidia Castillo
Recuerdo ese Pacer en Pimp my ride...

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Igual siguió sin gustarme :-&

Publicado: 20 Ene 2007 12:20
por dagosr
Lidia Castillo escribió:Recuerdo ese Pacer en Pimp my ride...

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Igual siguió sin gustarme :-&
jaja yo sabía que en algún lado lo había visto.

Publicado: 20 Ene 2007 12:45
por Hess
mae el yugo no deberia estar ahi es un chuzo...jajaja pero ese susuki siempre pense q era horrible.

Publicado: 20 Ene 2007 13:04
por dagosr
Racing t escribió:mae el yugo no deberia estar ahi es un chuzo...jajaja pero ese susuki siempre pense q era horrible.
Tampoco un chuzo pero para mí hay peores que ese y varios de los que están ahí.

Publicado: 20 Ene 2007 16:07
por yoorch
dagosr escribió:
Racing t escribió:mae el yugo no deberia estar ahi es un chuzo...jajaja pero ese susuki siempre pense q era horrible.
Tampoco un chuzo pero para mí hay peores que ese y varios de los que están ahí.
no es mi lista, es de la revista



cuales otros pueden ser?

Publicado: 20 Ene 2007 16:17
por daltonjr
yoorch escribió:
Primer carro en la historia en tener un DNF eb los rankings de J.D. Power Initial Quality rankings
mae, que es "DNF" ??

Publicado: 20 Ene 2007 16:30
por Alberto J.
DNF= Que no terminó las pruebas (Did not finish)

Publicado: 20 Ene 2007 16:47
por daltonjr
Alberto J. escribió:DNF= Que no terminó las pruebas (Did not finish)
damn ! jajajaja

Publicado: 20 Ene 2007 19:06
por Peter M.
yo anadiria los hyundai excel, el L200 nuevo, quitaria el datsun, anadiria el Lada Samara (uno de mis favoritos).

a modo de anecdota, en el 2005 estuve apunto de comprar un Yugo GRV de 1988, azul oscuro, tapiceria blanca (ironicamente estaba muy bien de lata, interior y pintura) pero sin bomba de gasolina en 80mil colones. debia 3 placas, tenia 2 embargos y la lista de gravamenes era interminable...entonces era idilico para donar a alguna facultad de derecho, no sin antes hacer algo asi, tal vez en la Open...jejeje

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Etue_rHHSQ


muy tuanis post yoorch!

Publicado: 20 Ene 2007 21:32
por dagosr
yoorch escribió:
dagosr escribió:
Racing t escribió:mae el yugo no deberia estar ahi es un chuzo...jajaja pero ese susuki siempre pense q era horrible.
Tampoco un chuzo pero para mí hay peores que ese y varios de los que están ahí.
no es mi lista, es de la revista



cuales otros pueden ser?
Sí mae yo sé además quién sabe en que se basarán xq son los menos cool...tons quién sabe que tomarán en cuenta.

Publicado: 20 Ene 2007 23:23
por Hess
dagosr escribió:
Racing t escribió:mae el yugo no deberia estar ahi es un chuzo...jajaja pero ese susuki siempre pense q era horrible.
Tampoco un chuzo pero para mí hay peores que ese y varios de los que están ahí.
mae mae dago que le pasa... jajajaja si es un chuzo hay que aceptarlo!!

Publicado: 21 Ene 2007 00:10
por Arturoj
Me dejo un poco intrigado la fealdad del el Mosler Consulier GTP y busque un poco del pedigree del carro
y me da mucha pereza traducirlo.. pero ahi va
(apesar de todo lo que dicen me parece mas que espantoso el carro)

http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/consulier-gtp.html

The Consulier GTP: Fastest Chrysler 2.2 Powered Car?

Back in the late 1980s, Warren Mosler, who had started a small car company named Consulier, noticed what most of the auto industry missed - the full potential of the 2.2 liter four-cylinders coming from Chrysler, which were to make the Dodge Spirit R/T America's fastest sedan (and perhaps its least well-known!). Consulier used the standard Turbo II version of the 2.2 liter engine powering K-cars, minivans, and Daytonas alike; in stock trim, that engine put out 174 horsepower at 5,200 rpm, but most Consuliers, being used for racing, were considerably tweaked, so that estimates range between 200 and 250 horsepower, with Consulier itself quoting 195 on its history page. A small number of Turbo III equipped cars were reportedly also built, again with tweaking to go beyond Chrysler’s 224 horsepower. (The Turbo III had distributorless ignition, dual overhead cams, and four valves per cylinder). Some Turbo IV parts were also apparently used (the Turbo IV was a moderately troublesome but innovative design with variable-sized nozzles).



As with the standard issue 2.2 turbos sold by Chrysler, the wheels were driven by an A-555 Getrag five-speed manual. Indeed, most of the powertrain parts were stock Chrysler pieces; the main difference was the chassis, which was designed for racing, and was made of fiberglass, Kevlar, and carbon fiber, with a steel front-suspension subframe and steel powertrain supports. The reason for using such space-age materials was, as you probably figured out, to save weight: the Consulier GTP weighed a mere 1,950 pounds. The weight bias was not quite the fabled 50/50 desired for handling, but the rear was actually heavier (66% of the weight), which helped traction during acceleration to the point where one could stand on the gas and get only slight wheelspin. The GTP had a mid-engine design, with an unusual, surprisingly-long radiator mounted in the back.

The two-seater had a short 100 inch wheelbase, though the overall length was surprisingly (given the wheelbase) long at 172 inches. Unlike any vehicle designed and sold by Chrysler in the US at that time (the Omni/Horizon being a notable, Europe-designed exception), the GTP had a fully independent suspension at all four wheels, designed by McKee Engineering. The disk brakes measured over 10 inches in both front and back; the rear brakes were borrowed from the Pontiac Fiero. Unlike any Chrysler Corporation car sold in 1990, the GTP had rear wheel drive.

The Consulier GTP was supposed to round up excellent performance figures, especially considering standards of the day, with Consulier quoting 0-60 in five seconds (in the following year, the 224 horse Spirit R/T was to be the fastest sedan sold in America, with a 0-60 in 5.8 seconds), but some sources hold that the GTPs used for racing were even faster. Braking from 65 took a mere 92 feet, and top speed was 155 mph, not unreasonable given the aerodynamics and weight; quarter-miles went by in the mid-13s. Gas mileage at highway speeds was supposed to be over 30 miles per gallon, again in keeping with the aerodynamics and weight, not to mention the relatively small engine for a supercar.


The Consulier GTP was reported to be very easy to drive very quickly, though one can also get into trouble very quickly with a patch of dirt or water; and the interior was surprisingly large. The dashboard provided full instrumentation, albeit in a plain/generic flat black panel, with eleven gauges (in two sizes).

Consulier GTPs were raced very successfully in IMSA supercar races, beating the likes of the Porsche 911 Turbo, Pontiac Firehawk, Saleen Mustang, Corvette ZR1, Lotus Espirt, Calloway Corvette, and Dodge Stealth. Indeed, Mosler offered a $100,000 bounty to anyone who could race a street-legal production car around any United States racetrack faster than Mosler’s racing driver could send a Consulier GTP through; no one was able to get that cash, though some said the conditions were not 100% fair. The Consulier GTP was eventually banned by the IMSA in 1991 —as the Mosler Automotive web site says:

After dominating local SCCA races and winning the 24 hours of Nelson Ledges in 1990, Mosler Automotive entered the IMSA Supercar World with 4 silver Consulier Series II GTP's debuting at Lime Rock in 1991 with pole position and a victory. At just 2100 lbs, this 5 speed, 2.2 liter turbo with about 195 hp easily outpaced the other, more powerful but heavier cars, including Hurley Haywood in a factory Porsche Turbo, Boris Said in a Callaway Twin Turbo Corvette, Stu Haynor in a Firebird, and Jim Minnaker in a factory ZR1 Corvette. It was subsequently announced by IMSA that it was not in the best interests of the series for Consulier to win at which time they added a 300 lb weight penalty and finally banned the Consulier GTP from the series. The GTP remains an exceptional sports car and can still outpace most of today's production cars.

The Consulier had standard air conditioning, Recaro seats, an Alpine stereo with CD player (still unusual then), power windows, and leather, and sold for about $62,000 in 1990 when it was introduced for retail sale. Much of the design work was done or sponsored by billionare Warren Mosler, using the Chrysler LeBaron GTS as a base. A number between 60 and 100 were apparently sold, many to Mosler himself or his companies. Warren Mosler eventually went on to making other vehicles, using Corvette engines, which added raw power, presumably at the expense of cornering and weight.

The Consulier GTP: Fastest Chrysler 2.2 Powered Car?

Back in the late 1980s, Warren Mosler, who had started a small car company named Consulier, noticed what most of the auto industry missed - the full potential of the 2.2 liter four-cylinders coming from Chrysler, which were to make the Dodge Spirit R/T America's fastest sedan (and perhaps its least well-known!). Consulier used the standard Turbo II version of the 2.2 liter engine powering K-cars, minivans, and Daytonas alike; in stock trim, that engine put out 174 horsepower at 5,200 rpm, but most Consuliers, being used for racing, were considerably tweaked, so that estimates range between 200 and 250 horsepower, with Consulier itself quoting 195 on its history page. A small number of Turbo III equipped cars were reportedly also built, again with tweaking to go beyond Chrysler’s 224 horsepower. (The Turbo III had distributorless ignition, dual overhead cams, and four valves per cylinder). Some Turbo IV parts were also apparently used (the Turbo IV was a moderately troublesome but innovative design with variable-sized nozzles).



As with the standard issue 2.2 turbos sold by Chrysler, the wheels were driven by an A-555 Getrag five-speed manual. Indeed, most of the powertrain parts were stock Chrysler pieces; the main difference was the chassis, which was designed for racing, and was made of fiberglass, Kevlar, and carbon fiber, with a steel front-suspension subframe and steel powertrain supports. The reason for using such space-age materials was, as you probably figured out, to save weight: the Consulier GTP weighed a mere 1,950 pounds. The weight bias was not quite the fabled 50/50 desired for handling, but the rear was actually heavier (66% of the weight), which helped traction during acceleration to the point where one could stand on the gas and get only slight wheelspin. The GTP had a mid-engine design, with an unusual, surprisingly-long radiator mounted in the back.

The two-seater had a short 100 inch wheelbase, though the overall length was surprisingly (given the wheelbase) long at 172 inches. Unlike any vehicle designed and sold by Chrysler in the US at that time (the Omni/Horizon being a notable, Europe-designed exception), the GTP had a fully independent suspension at all four wheels, designed by McKee Engineering. The disk brakes measured over 10 inches in both front and back; the rear brakes were borrowed from the Pontiac Fiero. Unlike any Chrysler Corporation car sold in 1990, the GTP had rear wheel drive.

The Consulier GTP was supposed to round up excellent performance figures, especially considering standards of the day, with Consulier quoting 0-60 in five seconds (in the following year, the 224 horse Spirit R/T was to be the fastest sedan sold in America, with a 0-60 in 5.8 seconds), but some sources hold that the GTPs used for racing were even faster. Braking from 65 took a mere 92 feet, and top speed was 155 mph, not unreasonable given the aerodynamics and weight; quarter-miles went by in the mid-13s. Gas mileage at highway speeds was supposed to be over 30 miles per gallon, again in keeping with the aerodynamics and weight, not to mention the relatively small engine for a supercar.


The Consulier GTP was reported to be very easy to drive very quickly, though one can also get into trouble very quickly with a patch of dirt or water; and the interior was surprisingly large. The dashboard provided full instrumentation, albeit in a plain/generic flat black panel, with eleven gauges (in two sizes).

Consulier GTPs were raced very successfully in IMSA supercar races, beating the likes of the Porsche 911 Turbo, Pontiac Firehawk, Saleen Mustang, Corvette ZR1, Lotus Espirt, Calloway Corvette, and Dodge Stealth. Indeed, Mosler offered a $100,000 bounty to anyone who could race a street-legal production car around any United States racetrack faster than Mosler’s racing driver could send a Consulier GTP through; no one was able to get that cash, though some said the conditions were not 100% fair. The Consulier GTP was eventually banned by the IMSA in 1991 —as the Mosler Automotive web site says:

After dominating local SCCA races and winning the 24 hours of Nelson Ledges in 1990, Mosler Automotive entered the IMSA Supercar World with 4 silver Consulier Series II GTP's debuting at Lime Rock in 1991 with pole position and a victory. At just 2100 lbs, this 5 speed, 2.2 liter turbo with about 195 hp easily outpaced the other, more powerful but heavier cars, including Hurley Haywood in a factory Porsche Turbo, Boris Said in a Callaway Twin Turbo Corvette, Stu Haynor in a Firebird, and Jim Minnaker in a factory ZR1 Corvette. It was subsequently announced by IMSA that it was not in the best interests of the series for Consulier to win at which time they added a 300 lb weight penalty and finally banned the Consulier GTP from the series. The GTP remains an exceptional sports car and can still outpace most of today's production cars.

The Consulier had standard air conditioning, Recaro seats, an Alpine stereo with CD player (still unusual then), power windows, and leather, and sold for about $62,000 in 1990 when it was introduced for retail sale. Much of the design work was done or sponsored by billionare Warren Mosler, using the Chrysler LeBaron GTS as a base. A number between 60 and 100 were apparently sold, many to Mosler himself or his companies. Warren Mosler eventually went on to making other vehicles, using Corvette engines, which added raw power, presumably at the expense of cornering and weight.

Publicado: 21 Ene 2007 13:44
por Marvin Jaén
El diseñador del Mosler Consulier GTP era malito, malito...

Pero el que aprobó el proyecto estaba borracho...


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Publicado: 21 Ene 2007 14:10
por yoorch
Marvin Jaén escribió:El diseñador del Mosler Consulier GTP era malito, malito...

Pero el que aprobó el proyecto estaba borracho...


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ciertamente, horrible


es tan feo quehasta la revista le puso el nombre mal jeje

Publicado: 21 Ene 2007 14:56
por dcms12
No se si lo saben, pero un Yugo anduvo muuuuuuy duro en LG a en los años 90´s....

Publicado: 21 Ene 2007 18:25
por claudio v.s
Claro yo me acuerdo... del Señor Piloto y Preparador Roy Valverde rotulado d KODAK, en ese tiempo yo andava todavia con babero creo ... :-&

Publicado: 21 Ene 2007 18:29
por claudio v.s
X cierto.. la mercury nautica a mi me parece una mini van tuanis.. es lo mismo q la nissan quest!

En vez d ese habia un campito para el FIAT MULTIPLA q asco d carro!

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Publicado: 21 Ene 2007 18:57
por mclaren
los verdaderamente FEOS son el Geo y el SUzuki, para adonde se habran ido los diseñadores !! que varas mas horriiiibles

Publicado: 21 Ene 2007 19:06
por Porche
para mi, dependiendo de como vea el Mosler Consulter GTP el culo se me parece al de un Saleen

Publicado: 21 Ene 2007 23:12
por Christopher M.
Porche escribió:para mi, dependiendo de como vea el Mosler Consulter GTP el culo se me parece al de un Saleen

Veo que en Palmares no solo birra tomo mae. :bom: :bom:
Lo siento pero es que no veo parecido alguno.

Publicado: 22 Ene 2007 07:54
por Marvin Jaén
A comparar...


http://www.saleen.com/



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Publicado: 22 Ene 2007 08:55
por toyo_jr
el Pacer en Wayne's World
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